Re: [新聞] 扁要美國負起「佔領台」義務 要求重新 … - 法律
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作者: laicwben (魚丸) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] 扁要美國負起「佔領台」義務 要求重新 …
時間: Tue Sep 22 21:56:36 2009
:→IBIZA:不要再造謠了
: 我先把整條翻譯,然後大家再來看比較準
: 「就本約而言,中華民國國民應認為包括依照中華民國在臺灣及澎湖所已施行或將
: 來可能施行之法律規章而具有中國國籍之一切臺灣及澎湖居民及前屬臺灣及澎湖之
: 居民及其後裔;中華民國法人應認為包括依照中華民國在臺灣及澎湖所已施行或將
: 來可能施行之法律規章所登記之一切法人」
: 這一條的主旨是在說明台灣人民的國籍日後屬於ROC,會出現這一條是因為聯合國
: 1948年的世界人權宣言第15條:「人人有權享有國籍」,如果不儘速釐清,那麼
: 世界上馬上出現六百萬個無國籍的難民,不論公法或司法上實體程序都會大混亂。
: 特定住民的國籍不等於交割主權,沖繩的住民早就特定為日本籍了,可是沖繩
: 的主權問題到了七零年代才由公投定案。
: 如果真的有主權交割,早就在前面說的清清楚楚了,那裡需要藏在後面。
: 給大家做一個比較:
: 馬關條約第二條
: 中國將管理下開地方之權並將該地方所有堡壘、軍器、工廠及一切屬公物件,
: 永遠讓與日本。(下略)
: 二、臺灣全島及所有附屬各島嶼。
: 三、澎湖列島。即英國格林尼次東經百十九度起、至二百二十度止及北緯二十三
: 度起、至二十四度之間諸島嶼。
: 第五條
: 本約批准互換之後限二年之內,日本準中國讓與地方人民願遷居讓與地方之外者,
: 任便變賣所有產業,退去界外。但限滿之後尚未遷徙者,酌宜視為日本臣民。
: 國際合約涉及土地割讓的,都是先特定好主權的變動,才談土地上人民國籍。
: 哪有到因為果,要從人民國籍的條款反推出「隱隱約約」有主權交割的意思?
: 主權交割是大事,有就有,沒有就沒有,中日和約前面沒提,違反國際條約慣例
: ,那就是簽約者故意模糊掉,怎麼可以拿一個住民國籍特定來反推說主權交割了?
: 中日和約中只有三個條文提到舊金山合約,分別是第二條、第五條和第十一條。
: 這三條沒有一條名是或暗示日本要把台灣主權交割給ROC。其中清楚提到台灣主權的
: 是第二條:
: 「茲承認依照公曆一千九百五十一年九月八日在美利堅合眾國金山市簽訂之對日和
: 平條約 (以下簡稱金山和約) 第二條,日本國業已放棄對於臺灣及澎湖群島以及南
: 沙群島及西沙群島之一切權利、權利名義與要求。」
: 如果要交割主權,這一條就會寫清楚了,不寫就表示沒有,沒有要硬凹
: 就是豪洨。
: 事實上根據「世界人權公約」15條第二款:「任何人的國籍不得任意剝奪,亦不得
: 否認其改變國籍的權利。」,中日和約第10條是沒有給予台灣人民選擇國籍的權利
: ,是違反公約精神的。只是當時冷戰正夯,台籍的菁英在228被國民黨清洗了一輪,
: 所以也就沒什麼人在國際上替台灣人發聲。
: 所以誰在扭曲歷史、誤導和造假,翻譯出來以後很清楚
: 另外爆一個八卦,其實第十條後來被日本的司法系統推翻過,當事人
: 就是寫台灣四百年史的史明。史明跳船逃到日本以後,國民黨政府要求引渡
: ,史明以他仍然擁有日本國籍作抗辯,因為日本當時沒有給予他選擇國籍的
: 權利,最後就抗辯成功,確認他的日本國籍仍然存在,可以留在日本。
問題在於
中華民國代表中國簽屬合約的正當性
不要忘記了
二戰結束時
中國仍然在內戰當中
國民政府軍與共軍雙方並未停戰
所以中國主權當時無定論
更無關於1949才成立的中華人民共和國
連邊都談不上
先來看看舊金山和約裡中華民國的位置
引用此網站資料:http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!pojoWs.bLw3ZdgpkCPKSttJf2A--/article?mid=88
舊金山和約的簽署主要是美國與同盟國一起針對戰敗國日本所訂的和平條約
(也稱做對日本和平條約 : Treaty of Peace with Japan )
Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Cambodia, Canada, Chile,
Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador,
Egypt, El Salvador, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras,
Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Luxembourg, Mexico, The
Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay,
Peru, The Philippines, Poland, Saudi Arabia, the Soviet Union, Sri Lanka,
South Africa, Syria, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, Uruguay,
Venezuela, Vietnam.
Burma, India and Yugoslavia were also invited, but did not participate.
Neither the Republic of China in Taiwan nor the People's Republic of China in
Mainland China were invited because of the Chinese Civil War and the
controversy over which government was legitimate, and as a consequence of
U.S.-U.K. disagreement over the Chinese participation, neither North Korea
nor South Korea were invited
受邀參加和約簽署的國家總共有 49 國
但是並不包括下列幾個國家 : ( 英美兩國依戰後事實認定 )
中華民國在台灣 ( 中國內戰中, 政府尚未合法被承認 )
中華人民共和國 ( 中國內戰中, 政府尚未合法被承認 )
南韓民主共和國
北韓人民共和國
台灣地位的真相 :
From the viewpoint of the laws of war, in the San Francisco Peace Treaty
(SFPT) the territory of Taiwan has been ceded to the “principal occupying
power” as an interim status condition.
以國際戰爭法法理之觀點而論,在經由美國參議院批准之舊金山和平條約(SFPT)中條款之
規定:
台灣領土控制權早已經讓渡割據給“主要佔領權(美國)”作為暫時之監督國。
Thus, Taiwan falls under the territorial clause of the US Constitution .
因此,台灣地位情況係受由美國憲法中之‘尚未認可為州之區域領土’之條款.
In other words, the US government can claim jurisdiction over Taiwan, and
there is nothing that any other country can do about it.
換句話說,美國政府有權宣告對台灣的管轄權;
同時,也沒有任何其他國家有辦法能夠左右得了美國對台灣的管轄權之主張。
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作者: laicwben (魚丸) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] 扁要美國負起「佔領台」義務 要求重新 …
時間: Tue Sep 22 21:56:36 2009
:→IBIZA:不要再造謠了
: 我先把整條翻譯,然後大家再來看比較準
: 「就本約而言,中華民國國民應認為包括依照中華民國在臺灣及澎湖所已施行或將
: 來可能施行之法律規章而具有中國國籍之一切臺灣及澎湖居民及前屬臺灣及澎湖之
: 居民及其後裔;中華民國法人應認為包括依照中華民國在臺灣及澎湖所已施行或將
: 來可能施行之法律規章所登記之一切法人」
: 這一條的主旨是在說明台灣人民的國籍日後屬於ROC,會出現這一條是因為聯合國
: 1948年的世界人權宣言第15條:「人人有權享有國籍」,如果不儘速釐清,那麼
: 世界上馬上出現六百萬個無國籍的難民,不論公法或司法上實體程序都會大混亂。
: 特定住民的國籍不等於交割主權,沖繩的住民早就特定為日本籍了,可是沖繩
: 的主權問題到了七零年代才由公投定案。
: 如果真的有主權交割,早就在前面說的清清楚楚了,那裡需要藏在後面。
: 給大家做一個比較:
: 馬關條約第二條
: 中國將管理下開地方之權並將該地方所有堡壘、軍器、工廠及一切屬公物件,
: 永遠讓與日本。(下略)
: 二、臺灣全島及所有附屬各島嶼。
: 三、澎湖列島。即英國格林尼次東經百十九度起、至二百二十度止及北緯二十三
: 度起、至二十四度之間諸島嶼。
: 第五條
: 本約批准互換之後限二年之內,日本準中國讓與地方人民願遷居讓與地方之外者,
: 任便變賣所有產業,退去界外。但限滿之後尚未遷徙者,酌宜視為日本臣民。
: 國際合約涉及土地割讓的,都是先特定好主權的變動,才談土地上人民國籍。
: 哪有到因為果,要從人民國籍的條款反推出「隱隱約約」有主權交割的意思?
: 主權交割是大事,有就有,沒有就沒有,中日和約前面沒提,違反國際條約慣例
: ,那就是簽約者故意模糊掉,怎麼可以拿一個住民國籍特定來反推說主權交割了?
: 中日和約中只有三個條文提到舊金山合約,分別是第二條、第五條和第十一條。
: 這三條沒有一條名是或暗示日本要把台灣主權交割給ROC。其中清楚提到台灣主權的
: 是第二條:
: 「茲承認依照公曆一千九百五十一年九月八日在美利堅合眾國金山市簽訂之對日和
: 平條約 (以下簡稱金山和約) 第二條,日本國業已放棄對於臺灣及澎湖群島以及南
: 沙群島及西沙群島之一切權利、權利名義與要求。」
: 如果要交割主權,這一條就會寫清楚了,不寫就表示沒有,沒有要硬凹
: 就是豪洨。
: 事實上根據「世界人權公約」15條第二款:「任何人的國籍不得任意剝奪,亦不得
: 否認其改變國籍的權利。」,中日和約第10條是沒有給予台灣人民選擇國籍的權利
: ,是違反公約精神的。只是當時冷戰正夯,台籍的菁英在228被國民黨清洗了一輪,
: 所以也就沒什麼人在國際上替台灣人發聲。
: 所以誰在扭曲歷史、誤導和造假,翻譯出來以後很清楚
: 另外爆一個八卦,其實第十條後來被日本的司法系統推翻過,當事人
: 就是寫台灣四百年史的史明。史明跳船逃到日本以後,國民黨政府要求引渡
: ,史明以他仍然擁有日本國籍作抗辯,因為日本當時沒有給予他選擇國籍的
: 權利,最後就抗辯成功,確認他的日本國籍仍然存在,可以留在日本。
問題在於
中華民國代表中國簽屬合約的正當性
不要忘記了
二戰結束時
中國仍然在內戰當中
國民政府軍與共軍雙方並未停戰
所以中國主權當時無定論
更無關於1949才成立的中華人民共和國
連邊都談不上
先來看看舊金山和約裡中華民國的位置
引用此網站資料:http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!pojoWs.bLw3ZdgpkCPKSttJf2A--/article?mid=88
舊金山和約的簽署主要是美國與同盟國一起針對戰敗國日本所訂的和平條約
(也稱做對日本和平條約 : Treaty of Peace with Japan )
Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Cambodia, Canada, Chile,
Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador,
Egypt, El Salvador, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras,
Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Luxembourg, Mexico, The
Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay,
Peru, The Philippines, Poland, Saudi Arabia, the Soviet Union, Sri Lanka,
South Africa, Syria, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, Uruguay,
Venezuela, Vietnam.
Burma, India and Yugoslavia were also invited, but did not participate.
Neither the Republic of China in Taiwan nor the People's Republic of China in
Mainland China were invited because of the Chinese Civil War and the
controversy over which government was legitimate, and as a consequence of
U.S.-U.K. disagreement over the Chinese participation, neither North Korea
nor South Korea were invited
受邀參加和約簽署的國家總共有 49 國
但是並不包括下列幾個國家 : ( 英美兩國依戰後事實認定 )
中華民國在台灣 ( 中國內戰中, 政府尚未合法被承認 )
中華人民共和國 ( 中國內戰中, 政府尚未合法被承認 )
南韓民主共和國
北韓人民共和國
台灣地位的真相 :
From the viewpoint of the laws of war, in the San Francisco Peace Treaty
(SFPT) the territory of Taiwan has been ceded to the “principal occupying
power” as an interim status condition.
以國際戰爭法法理之觀點而論,在經由美國參議院批准之舊金山和平條約(SFPT)中條款之
規定:
台灣領土控制權早已經讓渡割據給“主要佔領權(美國)”作為暫時之監督國。
Thus, Taiwan falls under the territorial clause of the US Constitution .
因此,台灣地位情況係受由美國憲法中之‘尚未認可為州之區域領土’之條款.
In other words, the US government can claim jurisdiction over Taiwan, and
there is nothing that any other country can do about it.
換句話說,美國政府有權宣告對台灣的管轄權;
同時,也沒有任何其他國家有辦法能夠左右得了美國對台灣的管轄權之主張。
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